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Transmission And Authorship
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I decided to make a thread concerning the imagined transmission and authorship of the texts, and post some findings in one place (and in a place I can more easily locate by name as time goes by). One problem here is Tolkien's changing mind. In the early 1950s JRRT still held to the idea that (ver...
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betraying Gondolin
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Sorry about the length! Maeglin is usually noted as betraying the location of Gondolin in that he seemingly gave the needed details to allow an assault to take place. If I recall correctly, in earlier versions of the Túrin saga, Húrin's release did not reveal the location of Gondolin in any measure,...
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Dagor Dagorath
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can anyone tell me more about Dagor Dagorath (battle of the end of the world)?
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Feanor vs Galadriel
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Ding ding Round One So who was the greatest of the First Born ? I'm putting an argument forward for.....Feanor. He achieved something that could not be replicated by even the Valar ! He had a greater effect on Arda than Galadriel. Long will Mandos keep his spirit...aye and for good reason. But who was gr...
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Religion and Middle Earth
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I have a question. Why did the elves and men never practice religion? They did not perform any religious ceremonies as far as I can tell. Lucas used "the force" in Star Wars. Religion was universal in the epic tales. Why did Tolkien not have a similar theme in his works?
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Morality of Mandos
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I am Prometheus! Aye peck my featherd friends ..peck away ..it was worth it! Mandos...... A Valar who if I'm correct, has a finger on the pulse of fate itself. Is it true that Mandos knows what will pass ? But doesn't speak much !!!!!!!! Seems like a wasted gift to me. Omnipitance and Impotence . Is it mora...
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Testing times
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"Don't eat yellow snow" Sacrifice is a theme which runs through the works. I don't just mean one's life. No, I mean sacrifices such as Aragorns years in the wilderness. or Well..... who else has given up something, as dear as life ?
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Inaction, hesitation, of the Valar
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PUT THE DOG IN THE BASKET! So Numenor slowly becomes estranged from the West. Sauron is taken by Al-Phazron to dwell with his people. Sauron slowly dominates and wins over the people. The largest armada that has ever been built, is assembled over time. During this time the mighty Valar do..............
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Nobody is inflatable
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I WAS BORN IN A CROSS-FIRE HURRICANE ! Never accept the accepted.....poke ...prod..kick ..punch..again and again....always JRR created a structured fantasy..oh but the gaps ... I'm an engineer...for twenty years I have poked and proded. I look at problems in a hard, cold logical way...quickly a...
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Poor Smeagol
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hey ho merry ol fud me lud Poor Smeagol... Gandalf vvas right...Smeagol had a part to play.....if only to end the quest. So if Bilbo vvas meant to find the ring, does that mean that Gollum vvas meant to die. Nasty..bad Valar Using the vveak to fulfill your aims! Did the fates conspire to doom poor old Smea...
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Not so nice Elves
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Me vvith the Vicars vvife...oh my.....! Anyvvay...some have said some things about ; Hovv elves are an inspiration That elves are good and an inspiration to men. Elves are so la de da ......so hoop de da Oh to be an Elf.......to vvander through the tvvighlight..... Blah! Novv Eol vvas an elf...he vva...
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Did the father of darves have free spirit or not ?
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Hi Rumbum pum Ok so Aule got fed up of vvaiting....and made his ovvn children....having not the full appreciation of ERU's plan for the first born.....his efforts vvere...crude...stunted...clumsy So here's the question.......Eru vvasn't pleased and told yer guy Aule to destroy them............
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The Elfstone
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Today I was doing researching on the origins of the Ring of Barahir, and how it had come to Aragorn through the line of Beren through the ages. I found what appears to be a great page on Wikipedia (it was quite an informative article, so hush), which discussed the origins of many of the "artifacts&...
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The Secret Fire
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VVhat about his girlfriend ?
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Hey ho merry ol dol Novv yer man Tom, he has had alot of debate around his merry ol dol. VVhat is Tom ? VVho is Tom ? That's been done. But vvhat about Goldberry...lady of the river me ol merry ol dol and she's dum de dum Any ideas on Goldberry and vvhy she shacked up ith merry ol dol Tom ?
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Tragedy !
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Hi all We spoke of wars and romance..... In the works, what do you think is the most tragic aspect/story/concept..... I love the idea of J.R.R.'s concept of barring Galadriel from the west... The greatest (debatable) of the eldar...barred........brilliant ! That's tragic...but what else...?...
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Host of Easterlings attacking Dale/Erebor
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Is there any reading material that covers this host of Easterlings? Is there any work written by Tolkien himself that confirms that this host was suppose to attack Mirkwood as well?
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Trolls and Swords
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Hi all Is their any clue as to how the trolls, that Bilbo met, came about such powerful items as Sting and Orcrist ?
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The one
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Hey ho merry ol dol....collecting lilyies for.. Ok THE ONE...yip the ring of rings....the big bazooka. The big guy ,Sauron invests much of his innate being into, the ring of rings..... But hy ? ( my key is not orking) Yean yeah yeah corrupt the elves yippidy skippidy......but don't you think he doe...
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Why did the Nazgul hold back ?
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Hey ho Just a quicky At Bree, the Nazgul persuade their agents, or themselves attack a room at the Prancing Pony. Why when it became evident that their prey eluded them, did they back off ? Fat men and rolly polly hobitts aren't a match for big scary Nazgul!
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Tolkien's creation of strong female characters.
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Welll, here is the thread you asked for Bear.
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Fourth age- speculative
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Hi all ! I've read that J.R.R, concieved a fourth age...where Aragorns son takes on the forces of evil. But who is the baddie........... To throw a curve ball......I'd go for Teleporno ! Driven slowly mad by the angst of Galadriel departing, he turns his venom against the"age of man" and ga...
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Was it cruel to use Hobbits as pawns ?
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Hello Here's a strange thought. Bilbo finds the ring. Gandalf is intrersted in hobbits Merry and Pippin obtain baldes of the westernese Frodo and Sam journey into terror Here's my point, fate plays a strong part in the LOTR. From Farimirs vision Gandalf's gut feelings Bilbo's and Frodo's unfortuna...
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Frodo's visions
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Hi all Frodo has visions, dreams, in the LOTR. No real explanation as to how or why... Perhaps it was fate and doom focusing/centering on him. or was it because he was in possesion of the One ?
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Radagahst .....where did he go ?
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Yee ha Radagahst the Brown......now where did he go ? If memory serves, Elrond's scouts could not find him. It looks like we have a failed Istari on the loose
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Sauron's next move- speculative
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Hi all Imagine Sauron, won the ring. Middlearth is his, to rule , forever What would Sauron do now ?
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Funny Momments ?
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Hi all Juat a quicky. The works are a little light of laughs but: Are there any moments in the works that make you laugh/smile ? I'll set the ball rolling with Gimili and Legolas counting their kills. A light hearted bit of banter set in a grim surrounding
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Does the reincarnation of Gandalf cheapen his death ?
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Hi All Ok I'm going to get stick for this. It's my nature to push and probe and question.......here goes Does the reincarnation of Gandalf cheapen his death and the sacrifices of others? If he were to die again would he have been rehoused ,sent back again...and again and so on. I know this isn't the pl...
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Elves diet
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This may be a silly question Who thinks elves are vegetarian ? I know it seem stupid, but I can imagine Dwarves and Men tucking into a shoulder of lamb...but not Elves
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What became of the Dwarves?
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Hi all Well at the start of the fourth age, the elves departed or those who stayed in time faded. Yet what of the dwarves ? By all accounts the Lonely Mountain was thriving. People relocted to the Gimli's glittering caves. Moiria was free of the Balrog and ripe for the taking. So what became of the Dwar...
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From bad to good
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Hi all So many questions, so little gin. Here's a quicky... Melkor seduced maiar who were in awe and of like mind to him Sauron himself seduced, inturn seduced Saruman to the wrong path. Here comes the question Is there a character within the works, that began evil yet switched sides, to the light?
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